Kreuvf changed status from new to closed

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Kreuvf commented

Not a bug. This is on purpose. The only thing one could criticise here is that the unit name stays the same.

effigy commented

I know the turret changes from Flashlight from Pulse in the design menu, but I never noticed units that had already been produced being changed.

Also, in the design menu if you change an existing Flashlight design to Pulse the name Flashlight will be retained in the unit name.

Reg312 commented

its strange purpose, anyway lasers never get used in multiplayer games like most other T3 weapons

dak180 changed status from closed to reopened

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dak180 commented

Already built units should not spontaneously change weapon types in the field.

Kreuvf commented

Replying to Warzone2100/old-trac-import#2877 (comment:2):

Also, in the design menu if you change an existing Flashlight design to Pulse the name Flashlight will be retained in the unit name.
That's because once the unit name is set, it will stay. You can name your units using own names (e. g. "effigy's Hilarious Laser Tank pew pew") and that is why WZ does not even try to change the name, because there is no guarantee that people do not use own names.

inb4: people suggesting turning off the possibility to give own names to units... -.-°

Kreuvf commented

Replying to Warzone2100/old-trac-import#2877 (comment:4):

Already built units should not spontaneously change weapon types in the field.
No reason given. And please don't insist on "logic". Weapon upgrades should not work then as well, but magically every unit no matter how far away from home base receives the new upgrade (more damage, faster reloading, more armour, whatever!). It's a game and it's special for the things that "surprise" you, the things it does differently than other games and it is that quality which led to all the efforts that finally resulted in the liberation of the game.

Commander turrets are replaced in the exact same manner (especially since you would not be able to tell different commander turrents apart).

People should be informed in-game about what which research topic does. An in-game tech-tree or some other thing that allows people to assess the complexity of WZ's research would be the way to go instead of altering the game beyond a point where it behaves like any other game.

anonymous commented

Maybe Flashlight and Pulse should be either separated then or unified, so the upgrade path is not confusing.

Reg312 commented

My reasons why it's "bug":

1. WZ should have identical research logic. Game logic should be universal.
   Why heavy MG tanks don't become assault gun tanks?
2. commander turrets do not count beacuse its not weapon and model&animmation not changing.
3. removing such features making easier to adjust game balance
4. this feature with pulse laser don't has reason why it happening

Kreuvf commented

Replying to Warzone2100/old-trac-import#2877 (comment:8):

My reasons why it's "bug":

1. WZ should have identical research logic. Game logic should be universal.
   ???

Why heavy MG tanks don't become assault gun tanks?
The original developers might know.

2. commander turrets do not count beacuse its not weapon and model&animmation not changing.
   Actually, technically it is a weapon. Not sure if this has been changed, but Ripple Rockets are/were replaced by another long range rocket as well.

3. removing such features making easier to adjust game balance
   ??? This is no valid reason. Using this you could justify removal of almost anything just for the sake of "making things easier".

4. this feature with pulse laser don't has reason why it happening
   What I said: the game does not make this clear to the user and that is something that has to be changed. You should know before researching what the research does. Educating the user about his/her options is something WZ is admittedly bad at.

Zarel commented

Yes, Warzone used to have automatic research upgrades; Flashlight to Pulse was one. Ripple to Archie was another.

If I remember correctly, these were removed a while ago because they were confusing to players, so if it still occurs, it's a bug. My memory may be faulty, however.

Zarel commented

Oh, wait, this might be campaign. We never touched the automatic research upgrade behavior in campaign, so if it happens in campaign, that's just expected behavior, right down to the tanks still being called "Flashlight" even after the upgrade.

Reg312 commented

it happens in skirmish

Zarel commented

80% sure it's some sort of bug, then.

Iluvalar commented

This is supposed to be a range upgrade for the flashlight. It's not a bug.

If it was, the replaced part could be erased at
data/mp/stats/research/multiplayer/resultcomponent.txt
line 69 and 70.

Iluvalar uploaded file flashlight.patch (1.2 KiB)

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Shadow Wolf TJC commented

Indeed. Just as Iluvalar said, this "bug" can be fixed by removing the "obsolete component" information from various entries in resultcomponent.txt. The components will still disappear from the design screen if they're included in redcomponents.txt.

Although I only recently discovered this "feature" today, I kind of like it. It's a nice little feature that modders can use to automatically replace older weapons with newer ones, and I feel that it shouldn't be changed at all. Moreover, it looks like the "bug" was fixed by modifying resultcomponent.txt appropriately, so I guess that the ticket can be closed now?

Iluvalar commented

Replying to Warzone2100/old-trac-import#2877 (comment:15):

so I guess that the ticket can be closed now?
No it can't because as weird as it look, they never applied that patch to fix the bug. ­¬.¬

Shadow Wolf TJC commented

Ah, I see. I checked resultcomponent.txt yesterday, and I didn't see that Pulse Laser replaced Flashlight. I just checked it again, and the problem is indeed still there. Sorry about that.

Berserk Cyborg changed status from reopened to closed

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Berserk Cyborg commented

This isn't the case anymore. If this behavior is desired, feel free to discuss it in the balance forum.